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| Posted:Dec 17 2003, 08:54 AM |
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Does anyone in Australia (we are supposed to be the smart country!) still think that Fords and Holden race against each other at Bathurst? (and that the MONARO 24Hr was a production car  )
So technically if you drove a Holden and love holdens...why would you bother to go for HRT etc????....why wouldn't you just go for the team with the most money...Why attach any emotion to the decision which does not correllate to any relevance anyway?
Except for the fibre glass front ends to sorta look like those factory models...what's the difference between the 5.0 iron block V8 VX (?????) and the 5.0 iron block VY (???) that are racig against each other
Ford Race car ( 5.0 iron block V8) Ford production XR8 (alloy 5.4 litre quadcam V8, IRS,)
does it get any different than that?
Relevance of V8supercar racing-declining at a rapid rate the longer they use engines that no longer get manufactured or used in production cars they try to represent. Will we stil see the veerable windsor ( a derivative of it at least) still circling Bathurst when we take our grand kiddies to Bathurst in 2020?
Eeven WRC is like that now....thats why peugout and citreons win...and they dont even produce factory AWD Turbo cars thanks to rules changes not requiring homologation.
Back in the old days racing use to spur on development for production scars ( VN Group A) (early WRX's and GSR's) etc so the public use to get the good stuff. V8 supercar is about as exciting as watching NASCARS ( Things with loud V8's in them that go around in circles)
I'd like to watch a canadian made 5.7 litre holden bodied car race around against a 5.4 litre 'american bitsa' engined Ford bodied race car....far more relevance to Mr. Joe Public.
Don't get me started on the "Monaro looking V8 supercar" "production" racecar either...what a complete joke that race is now...hell even the Peter Brock (how old is he now?) can still win a race at his age in "top" level competition thanks to some very flexi rules. Shows you how better the car was compared to its competition!
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| Posted:Dec 17 2003, 09:09 AM |
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All those people who appreciated these cars being made....thank previous racing rules and homologation rules that forced manufacturers to make these cars so they could be allowed to race them. Mr. Public thanks you.
Walkinshaw Group A
VN Group A
WRX
GSR
EVO1 to V111
Ford Sierra Cosworth
Nissan GTR
Nissan GTiR
Audi Quattro
Mazda familar GTR
Toyota MR2 GT
Mazda RX3
Delta integralle
Mazda RX-7 SP
......most Porsches and Ferraris and Lotuses
....and any other remotely interesting car sold to the public
These cars also importantly provided development in Turbocharger technology, suspension, braking, ECU's and engine mangement, AWD technology, gearbox development etc etc
What V8 Supecar racing has give us.......................
A very spectator interesting touring car sport.......and thats about it....not much of the "technology" and I use that term loosely, has filtered to the Public since the FORD/Holden only days.
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| Posted:Dec 17 2003, 04:30 PM |
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You do have a point, I do get board with the supercars sometimes. I like watching the brutes and the GTP cup more.
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| Posted:Dec 19 2003, 01:13 PM |
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I can see your point but...
Since when are supercars said to be production orientated? There 'super' cars!
and as far as differences! urr isn't that the whole point! they are meant to be the same, it brings closer racing!  or am i just barking up the wrong tree!?
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| Posted:Dec 19 2003, 06:00 PM |
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Unfortunately V8 Supercars have sacrificed production homologation, public motoring relevance, technological advancement, and a variety of other marques participating for the sake of close racing (an honorable and reasonable idea) and national racism (at the time) towards foreign cars winning (hang on a sec did someone say flexible rules ragarding the 24hour?...oops we're still doing it  )
Does anyone remember Mark Skaife and Jim Richards getting booed by the pee brain crowd when they won Bathurst in a GTR? (what a discrace for motorsport)
Even if they brought back Sierra's, GTR's etc...they would absolutely kick arse......as there has been alot of technological avancement in terms of turbo technology(ie reliable!) (hell there's alot of street WRX's and GTR's and other modern turbo cars that have more power than a V8 supercar.) ........and the V8's, well they're still the same.....just the fibre glass is different......and they have cameras in em now 
I'm excited to see which american made engine with fibreglass/carbon fibre is going to win next year....oh I already know...the team with the most money. |
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| Posted:Dec 22 2003, 10:55 AM |
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Still it seems to please the masses, and thats what is important at the end of the day!  ... I mean Holden still release a better Commodore every year or atleast add some improvements and HSV and HDT continue to do there thing,
Its not slowing the process of improved production down and i can't say that it hinders it! at the end of the day... well its just another type of racing, in a league of its own!
But your right... money wins at the end of the day!
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| Posted:Jan 20 2004, 09:28 PM |
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Ok starters V8supercars used to be based on the production cars 5 litre pushrod rwd ect. Now its pretty much shells but they do have GM and Ford engines with a similar head. Sad fact is bringing the current model engines into this series would involve a shitload of R&D and would destroy all parity that has been built into the series.
The monaros at bathurst 24hr is a different matter that i wont touch atm,. |
