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| Posted:Oct 23 2002, 12:10 AM |
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Adding a big Turbo does not mean you have to rev it passed the factory Redline.
I know it's a comon thing people think but it's about the right turbo sizeing .
Yes RPM can equal more power. But you don't always have to rev more, what you do have to do is get the power at the revs you want. To get 13's all you really need is injectors ECU and a GT2835 Or a Hi-flow T3 on a custom manifold with porting of the head stokc cam =13's seconds. You don't even need a new intercooler
It's when you passed that you need more.
The FE3 is a totally different beast. It revs to 7000rpm but does not have real bottom end. Not to say it has none but once drop it's compression add big turbo you will notice how often you have to keep it's revs up V-TEC style. Some people love that. I personally Like Mid-range =70km/h to 180km/h
I so far have seen a T28 hanging off a TX5 with boost cut hitting over 20psi the guage goes to 20psi only and the needle keeps climbing. So far the motor has held and it's not in great condition. People underestimate these motors.
Plus I would rather have a 2.2L SOHC for more Cubic inches.
Many a SR20DET is now getting the 2.2L stroker kit put on.
FE3 may rev but if you go full house on a F2T the FE3 will have nothing on it.
Nothing counts like Cubic inches, more cubes more power. Revs only go so far
Type R motor makes the same NM as it's non-Type R motor. What the So when you need to pull wheres the real power in KW's doing nothing. Put both on a hill and you wonder why the Type R does not pull as hard away as it did on the flat.
As for head swap a few problems Again money. Not saying can't be done but stroking the FE3 with a F2T crank would be best.
I have seen RB30ET's with RB20 and 25 heads on them yes the extra cam helps but by the time you add all of that with a worked SOHC head it does not work out better. In fact where most of these car are raced on the street the Twin cams don't have a look in. The Torquer single cammer is gone.
This hole thing about the Fastes F2T I say just boost the dam thing to 20PSI and you will see fast. So far that TX5 has beaten me and it cuts out at 4000rpm and auto but is damm fast.
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| Posted:Nov 3 2002, 09:53 PM |
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Have any of you people got an MX6 doing a 13? Cause it isnt as easy as you think! Untill you have the proof that your car or that any car has done times, I think you all should keep your mouth shut.
I asked the question, what is the fastest F2T MX6 in Australia. Not please tell me about every dream you have had. an ET can do a 12, I know I have seen it too, but what the .... does that have to do with the fastest F2T MX6?
Roadhog, where are you getting all your info from? You need more work then what you mentioned to get a 13 out of an MX6.
Thank you for all your help people. you were really informative! Maybe I will reduce the amount of work done to my car and then I will get a lower time!
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| Posted:Nov 4 2002, 08:48 AM |
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I don't think so I have seen a 13 second Mx-6 2WS 89 model with ABS
it only had and extra injector Hi-flow VL T3 turbo off the factory manifol but with custom plate , head work 5 angle valve job and balanced bottom end with new forged psitons. 13seconds 13.7 97MPH but did run 13.9 at 100MPH I getting that from a former worker at Hot4's form early days which did the story on a RED MX-6 in 95 had the plates lethal, In NSW, want any more info on it had a good sound setup , factory cooler too.
If you are wondereing if you are the fastest Mx-6 in Aus run a 12 and you will be.
Personally I think you should be in low 13's if not high 12's you have the gear, Put the power down, If you can't get good traction run wider wheels up front only with real good sticky tyres. Donm't bother with cheap shit, it's the good old go hard or go home. I have not seen a run by you so I can't you can't drive or need better changes but you maybe losing somthing. I have seen guys t the runs with I dentical cars or slower cars take others with easy because of state of tune or just bad driving. I ripped a EXA with boig mods 16psi but lost to a 10psi EXA, and my driving was the same everytime, can't do much in a auto different.
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yeah sleak you sure have some impressive modz, i would of actually expected a low 13 with all the work you have done. What sort of boost are you running?
yup there have been a few mx6's in the states pulling 12's but havent heard of anything here getting anywhere near that, high 13's though i say there are quite a bit as we've already said... low 13's like rod said and you might be able to lay the claim  |
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 01:50 PM |
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Hey guys just like to say the fastest mx6 turbo ive seen in sydney ran a best time of 14.5 secs well actually its in one of the old hot4's mag  hmm seemed to have bit more than your standard car.
The following are the mods listed :
Vehicle: Mazda MX-6
Power: 240hp
Best E.T: 14.5
Engine: Mazda 2.2lt Turbo
Induction: T3/4 Turbo, Custom front mount intercooler, custom exhaust manifold
Internals: forged pistons, copper head gasket
Igtnition: Standard
Exhaust: 3" exhaust
Engine Management: Microtech MT-8
Boost Control: Turbonetic 32mm external wastegate
btw can anyone tell me if this time would be about right as im thinking man the car should pull faster times than that or am i just dreaming . Whats your say?  |
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 02:57 PM |
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Let me quess the mag was white with a Silva/200sx on the cover
or was it the one with Ezzy on the cover
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 05:05 PM |
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To tell you the truth im not really sure, its been a long time i read it somewhere. Tho i think if i can remember its one of those two mags you mentioned -but dont bet me on it.
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 05:28 PM |
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I heard a rumour that that mazda shop up in sydney was building a 2nd gen mx6 drag/funny car. That'd be pretty fast. Perhaps they are called "pac west" not sure. They have a couple of rx3 drag cars though.
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 07:00 PM |
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Yes it is PAC, its a 20B rotor full drag car, should be impressive!
The mods you listed should be getting at least 13s. Sounds like alot of the mods I have done, but missing some.
Im running 20psi on pump fuel. I still need to have the car tuned for C16, but at $150 for 20L, I cant afford it right now!
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| Posted:Nov 6 2002, 10:28 PM |
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The Pac boys are building it , said to be just a shell but they have the frame which is mostly a moly tube setup 20B rotor with large turbo charger and from what I heard last a C4 Ford auto box. They are still considering a half chassis with custom tubed rear so it will use a little of the Mx-6's original chassis floor pan. I have not heard much about this. The car isbascily being bult for when Drag racing returns to Sydney at the new Drag Raceway.
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| Posted:Jan 27 2003, 10:03 AM |
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| i have a freind with a series 2 tx5 who ran it at caulder park in austarlia he stalled at the lightsand after a restart did a 14.2@112mph with a 6.2 60 foot time the track officials said that without a stall and at that mph he would ahve been good for a high to mid 12 second pass tell mem thats not quick for an internal stock f2 with ballbearing turbo and exaust on 12 pound |
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| Posted:Jan 30 2003, 07:07 PM |
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[QUOTE]FE3 may rev but if you go full house on a F2T the FE3 will have nothing on it.
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You are misinformed. I have seen dyno plots on an FE3 with 8.5:1 compression. Once that was done, he put the EXACT same mods from the F2T of his onto the FE3.
He has the dyno from both. The FE3 made 5 more ft/lbs torque and 100+more hp. Now you have two motors both with same mods and the FE3 wins a little in one area and by a wide margin in another area.
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www.Maxx-Motorsports.com
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| Posted:Jan 31 2003, 08:31 AM |
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yeah the head design on the FE3 is in a completely different class.. this will account for the majority of the horsepower gain along with the additional 1000 or is it 1500 or 2000??? rpm.. as well all know HP is directly related to rpm so its obvious that the fe3 can be built to produce more power unless ofcourse you manage to balance n blueprint, change valves, port etc etc etc to get a similar rev threshold and similar head flow with the f2t...
i havent really done much research on the fe3 but i have heard good things about the headflow design and how they are superior over the f2t head.. but personally i still dont find it practical to fit the fe3 engine in, you can easily get 300hp+ with the f2t.. and at that stage traction will be a real issue.. i wouldnt mind having an fe3 in but i feel the f2t can do the job.. what were your reason on converting redneck.. i suppose it would of set you back a pretty penny.. btw.. i love the conversion.. i just cant part with the imaginary cash 
ideally the most cost effective route would be to take the stock f2t bottom end and mate it to a fe3 head.. now something like that will really be great.. since the f2t bottom end is amazingly strong it shouldnt have any issue with large hp and the fe3 head wont be restricting in terms of head flow.. unfortunately im yet to see anyone perform such a conversion.. and its been said that it cant be done... hmmm makes sense but damn.. now that would be the way i would go if it was possible.. much cheaper than chucking in the whole fe3 |
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| Posted:Feb 3 2003, 06:22 PM |
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NO the idea of putting the FE3 head of the F2T was not a good one and wouldn't still rev past 6k rpm
It has been done and I saw the pics of the rod stick out of the block by the oil filter from the guy who tried to rev to 7k
The reason I did the swap is because you can go farther
The torque curve is more linear so you don't have the bad spike and the low rpm But you still have some traction problems
Depending on conditions and how the track is
The track by me SUCKS Before I had the 650cc injectors, FMU, 3" exhaust, and the car was maxing the 330cc injectors before 5500rpm I was trapping at 105.47mph
The only thing I had was cone filter, 2 1/4" cat back and the SDS
Now do the same exhaust and cone filter on a F2T with a chip at 12psi and you will get no where near that speed
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| Posted:Feb 23 2003, 11:03 AM |
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i have heard of 1 of my friends cars downs south has an all wheel drive setup, and is running low 12's i know mine is running 14's but i want to get mine into the low 13's.
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